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		<title>By: Jason Barber</title>
		<link>http://silkroadintl.net/blog/2009/03/19/buying-from-suppliers-online/comment-page-1/#comment-1126</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great explanation.  I always assumed that security (or the lack thereof) was a big reason for people preferring to work with cash payments, and it is almost a given that tax evasion (corruption) is a motivating factor as well, although I never really thought of that.

Your comment about China&#039;s banking system being at the mercy of the central government and how close we are getting to that point here in the US made me laugh.  Even if it was admittedly one of those sad, &quot;what else is there to do BUT laugh&quot; and &quot;how sadly true is that&quot;, type of laughs.

Keep up the excellent writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great explanation.  I always assumed that security (or the lack thereof) was a big reason for people preferring to work with cash payments, and it is almost a given that tax evasion (corruption) is a motivating factor as well, although I never really thought of that.</p>
<p>Your comment about China&#8217;s banking system being at the mercy of the central government and how close we are getting to that point here in the US made me laugh.  Even if it was admittedly one of those sad, &#8220;what else is there to do BUT laugh&#8221; and &#8220;how sadly true is that&#8221;, type of laughs.</p>
<p>Keep up the excellent writing.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why the escrow system in particular is not better developed here other than the fact that the entire banking infrastructure is about 20 years behind (despite the billions of FDI from IPO&#039;s in the last 5 years).  Not to mention they&#039;re insolvent and at the mercies of the central government (sounds frustratingly like the current situation in the US, no?).  

Read Gordon Chang&#039;s &quot;The Coming Collapse of China&quot; for a lot more detail on this.

But I also think that another reason for lack of an escrow system is simple tax evasion.  If payments are tracked and tied to export orders there are corresponding taxes to be paid.  One of the reasons for &quot;the china price&quot; is the fact that most factories are getting around paying taxes on orders.  If payments are more transparent and/or tied to quality or export certificates the price will go up--at least 17%.  Cash transactions make everything cheaper.

There isn&#039;t yet a domestic demand for this type of system--if you&#039;ve ever tried to negotiate LC&#039;s here you know what I mean.

Another related issue, I think, is basic trust.  Individuals and business get burned all the time in the myriad cash deals that make up most projects.  There is a very weak and informal collections system and a real desire to work on with cash and friends.  There just isn&#039;t a lot of security for a large % of projects done here.

China hasn&#039;t figured out how to work with strangers on a basis of formal or simple trust (as opposed to personal or deeper levels of trust/guanxi).  And until that is a larger part of the culture, even if the tools were in place, people won&#039;t use them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why the escrow system in particular is not better developed here other than the fact that the entire banking infrastructure is about 20 years behind (despite the billions of FDI from IPO&#8217;s in the last 5 years).  Not to mention they&#8217;re insolvent and at the mercies of the central government (sounds frustratingly like the current situation in the US, no?).  </p>
<p>Read Gordon Chang&#8217;s &#8220;The Coming Collapse of China&#8221; for a lot more detail on this.</p>
<p>But I also think that another reason for lack of an escrow system is simple tax evasion.  If payments are tracked and tied to export orders there are corresponding taxes to be paid.  One of the reasons for &#8220;the china price&#8221; is the fact that most factories are getting around paying taxes on orders.  If payments are more transparent and/or tied to quality or export certificates the price will go up&#8211;at least 17%.  Cash transactions make everything cheaper.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t yet a domestic demand for this type of system&#8211;if you&#8217;ve ever tried to negotiate LC&#8217;s here you know what I mean.</p>
<p>Another related issue, I think, is basic trust.  Individuals and business get burned all the time in the myriad cash deals that make up most projects.  There is a very weak and informal collections system and a real desire to work on with cash and friends.  There just isn&#8217;t a lot of security for a large % of projects done here.</p>
<p>China hasn&#8217;t figured out how to work with strangers on a basis of formal or simple trust (as opposed to personal or deeper levels of trust/guanxi).  And until that is a larger part of the culture, even if the tools were in place, people won&#8217;t use them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Barber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get asked at least monthly why China does not have a better escrow system for making payments to factories.  Like you mentioned in the above post, I do agree that the best way to keep your money &quot;safe&quot; is to do adequate DD and in the end you need to trust people.  

I know China has unique challenges in facing money issues.  Do you think there is 1) adequate need for some type of escrow service (is PayPal the answer?) and 2) do you think we will see such a company rise to the occasion in the near future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get asked at least monthly why China does not have a better escrow system for making payments to factories.  Like you mentioned in the above post, I do agree that the best way to keep your money &#8220;safe&#8221; is to do adequate DD and in the end you need to trust people.  </p>
<p>I know China has unique challenges in facing money issues.  Do you think there is 1) adequate need for some type of escrow service (is PayPal the answer?) and 2) do you think we will see such a company rise to the occasion in the near future?</p>
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